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Utah Sex Offender Registry
Published: April 19, 2010 | | 266234 clicks | 46 comments
Utah Code Ann. §77-27-21.5, The Sex and Kidnap Offender Registry requires the Utah Department of Corrections to develop, operate and maintain a registry of persons who have been convicted of certain offenses. Those offenses are listed in subsection (1)(g) or (n) of the statute.
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Posted by Joan (not registered) on Dec 25, 2006 03:44 PM

The system does not seem to protect the victims who are disabled. My son (who is autistic) was molested by his father for 6 years before he was able to tell someone. We went through the system, police, county attorney, children’s justice center, and received victim’s reparation. Everyone believed him, but the prosecutor did not prosecute. Now the father is free, may be continuing with other disable son, and wants to work with Special Olympics again.

Where is the justice? What can be done? Who is protecting the inoccent?

Posted by Joan on Dec 26, 2006 07:08 PM

Utah is not helping the most innocent, the disabled. My son was sexually molested by his father for several years before he felt safe enough to tell someone. At the time he told someone he was 18 years old he is autistic, mentally challenged, seizure disorder, and upper motor neuron disorder. The local police were called, an investigation completed, children’s justice center did a physical exam, he was given therapy by rape recovery services. All of these people have worked with my son, feel he is telling the truth, or there is physical evidence. My son's father was questioned and was felt that he was lying and the detective felt he was guilty. Then it was given to the county attorney and he decided to "pass on it”. My son was not creditable to go through a trial they say.



Where is the justice for this group of individuals? Who is helping them stay safe from there own friends and family? Why is his dad still walking out there possible preying on others? We have another disable son and with no conviction I have no resources to keep him safe. He is also returning to his volunteering with special olympics. Where is the justice?

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on May 17, 2007 09:12 PM

i think utah needs better sex offender crime punishments

Posted by Oldtimer on May 18, 2007 09:57 AM

Joan...the police did not request him to take a lie detector test?

Many offenders can manipulate enough to slip under the radar. You can still keep an eye on him and see if he chooses a "favorite" child. Or , if he is creating reasons for children to "stay overnight" with him. I'm sure he won't get away with it a second time and you should participate if it goes to court on another case. Then again, he is considered innocent until nabbed. Educate yourself on the warning signs of sexual offense.

Posted by Anony (not registered) on Jun 04, 2007 09:57 AM

Hello,

Is there a way to report anonymously a case of adult having sex with underage girl in South Jordan Utah?

The parents are feared for unknown reason so they keep quiet. But i just want to stop this insanity!

Thanks

Posted by Oldtimer on Jun 05, 2007 07:41 PM

Hope you get some answers for this question. I would call the Dept of Human Services at your state and tell them of your problem. They may suggest a way to help you. Tell them you want to talk to someone about an ongoing sexual abuse situation.

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Jan 10, 2008 08:16 AM

I will have to agree with you that Utah needs to do more to protect kids against sex offenders. I know of some one that gave his information and a major Pizza company allowed him to work for them with under age children and now he is back in prison Thank GOD!! but still he should have never been allowed after he was convicted the first time to be put in a work area with kids. Utah needs to protect the kids

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Mar 26, 2008 09:49 PM

I want to know why someone can be taken off this list when they are a sexual offender.

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Apr 19, 2008 09:41 PM

Sex offenders are the saddest excuse for human beings on the face of the planet. In my opinion, they can never reform because their desires are hardwired into their brain from birth. These 'people' should never be released from jail, and/or prison. There are so many in my area and I'm afraid to let my sister play outside by herself. The legislature should create new laws with harder crackdowns on sex offenders. Their punishments are pretty small compared to what other crimes are punished. Murder is just as bad as a sexual crime and should adhere to the same guidelines. Ugh, you people make me SICK.

Posted by say what? (not registered) on Apr 20, 2008 09:10 AM

So you are a judge? If the offender is "hotwired" from birth, then they must not be responsible for their actions. nope. I think not. Look into a mirror and see if your sins are less.

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on May 07, 2008 06:04 PM

Things wont change due to the fact that everyone is to liberal as long as they just slap there butts things won't change.

This is how it should be to stop the kind of abuse.

put them to death the same day they are found guilty. no death row no nothing death the jerks would quit doing it. if they new they was going to die.

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on May 08, 2008 11:19 PM

why do i still see kids going to these houses for trick or treat/ food drives/ etc.? How come i had one in my area and didnt even know about it?

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on May 09, 2008 02:40 AM

what about the few people charged as sex offenders that were simply lie to about the true age of the party they "supposedly" made a victim. i think the girls and boys who lie about their age and get another person charged with such a horrible label should be the one put in jail!

Posted by aNONYMOUS (not registered) on May 22, 2008 11:55 AM

I absolutely agree with the girls lying about their age. What the heck is up with allowing that? Before I met my husband, he had some friends over and made out with (no sexual) a girl that claimed to be an adult and had a child. When her friend threatened to tell the girls boyfriend then the girl panicked and told the police that my husband touched her breast over her shirt. (I read the police report.) Well, the girl was 17 (she did have a child). He was arrested, spent time in jail, was on probation for 3 years, went through humiliating tests, attended court ordered therapy three times a week for three years, then after that was placed on the registry for 10 years. She ruined his life. The laws keep changing and he has to keep complying to them and the humiliation of the woman he has to register with every year. Guess what? The PO told my husband she is a victim of a sex crime herself. She is vendictive and emotional and should not be in that position. Non violent offenders should not be on the website.

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on May 27, 2008 01:00 AM

Most of you seem to have the same opinion. BASH the offender. My opinion is OK fine put the sex offenders on a web site, Let society know the exact cause and nature of his/her crime. Yet lets not stop there, Lets put drug dealers/users, theifs, any other criminal convicted of a crime on a web site. Lets let the public ruin their lives for 10 years +. Oh lets not forget speeding, bouncing a check, shop lifting, etc... Seems ridiculous doesnt it. Since I am on the web site I say to you get your facts in order and dont throw stones if you live in a glass house. I would have to only guess but I would say that most people as in myself were forced into a guilty plee to protect the children from a court room. In my case it was a matter of not locking a door.

Posted by Death to sex offenders (not registered) on May 27, 2008 10:48 AM

They NEVER get rehabilitaed. So they all need to be killed or have all limbs and reporoductive areas melted off or in. {Including my nephew and Step brother

Posted by Oldtimer on May 27, 2008 11:16 AM

Putting offenders on a website is done for punishment, IMO. The old "Scarlet Letter". Why not just let the police keep a registry. After all, isn't it their job?

Posted by anonymous (not registered) on May 29, 2008 11:50 AM

I just read the comment that sex offenders are the poorest excuse for human beings. Some of them are. Others have been wronge fully convicted and are still paying the price until you have walked a mile in some one elses shoes do not judge

Posted by SOCO1 on May 30, 2008 09:51 AM

Oldtimer... you are exactly right. I wish I heard more people say that ! Just let them do their job.. AMEN!

Posted by don't judge (not registered) on Jun 10, 2008 11:05 AM

My son was convicted as a sex offender put in prision, and put on the list because he had a cousin show him something that he showed another cousin. His sex crime is he showed a cousin how to sexually arrouse himself then masturbate. His cousin has showed other friends the same things but he is not in prison nor on a list. Some of you make coments that sex offenders should be put to death. I love my son very much. He did something he shouldn't have done as a teenager which he regrets but can't take back now. I know for a fact that many young people do these things but putting them in prison, on a registry for life or even putting them to deaath is such a horrible way to think. You are thinking of people who are on these registries as monsters some of them were just miss guided "human beings" just like you. Judge not that ye be not judged.

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Jun 26, 2008 09:39 PM

I have a family member who is on the sex offender registry - I also have some family members who have been sexual abuse victims - I also have a family member who has been a drug dealer - MY POINT - the drug dealer has done far more damage to MANY peoples lives than the one sex offender!!! If the sex offenders need to be posted for the world to see why not post the drug dealers too? Then we as a "perfect society" can watch all these preditors. WHAT A SICKO IDEA!! Why not ALLOW these people (sometimes wrongly accused) to get on with their lives once their time is served and gotten the necessary help. THEY ALL CAN BE REFORMED!... including the drug dealers!

Posted by Oldtimer on Jun 27, 2008 04:32 PM

In Maine, last week, some self righteous souls at the Dept. of Corrections, decided to set up a website to put ALL criminals on the web. Anyone in prison! On grounds that it would help the victims. Believe me, the victim knows he/she is in prison and can call anytime! The gov and committee on criminal justice were never informed. It has been stopped, temporarily. The last folks to do this were Hitler's men. Criminals are members of ALL of our families. They need to be properly punished by our system and then start over (hopefully learning right from wrongs) IMHO. The woman in the corrections dept. that supported this, ought, in my opinion, to be flogged for her own sins!

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Jun 27, 2008 06:37 PM

Society creates it's own monsters and deserves what it gets. If you want to continue to keep reformed sex offenders on the website and make them feel like s---, then society deserves the consequences that follow (Duncan, Couey). I am not saying that what they did is right, it isn't. They were completely in the wrong and deserve the death penalty, but think about this (they were both non-compliant). For those who don't know what Non-compliant is: they were not where they were supposed to be. Why do you think that is? Yet, you seem to think that those who have worked their a--e- off and are compliant should have to be judged for life. Well, guess what Couey and Duncan didn't think it was right to be judged for life and guess what? Well, maybe you get my point. The registry should be reserved for those who are a threat. The longer a person is out without any victims, the less the threat. Be careful what you people create. I know drugggies that go in and out of prison once or twice every two or three years and all the SO's I know have not gone back at all. Hmmm, who is the real threat? And if you think SO's are a threat and druggies aren't, answer this question: Why do they go to jail or prison if it isn't so bad. It is against the law. Maybe this is your test from God to see how well you treat others. In the bible it says that Jesus was tempted on everything so that he could die on the cross for our sins. Everything. He overcame the temptation, but at least he knows why he died for the Sex Offender too.

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Jul 16, 2008 01:09 AM

Sex Offender Laws = votes for politicians... Nothing more... Did you happen to see what the politicians who supported the now ON HOLD law in Utah concerning warrantless search and siezure of non-probationer sex offenders --- did you see the act he tried to put on? But, that's ok they may tell society the RSO will molest thier kids, but the fact is that 90% of all new sex crimes are being committed by people who are not on the sex-offender registry... Here in Utah, the recividism rate of registered sex offenders is less than 1%; yet, we are all at danger.... give me a break.

Posted by lorraine (not registered) on Jul 17, 2008 08:05 PM

I was 17 and had a boy friend 3years younger then me. When i turn 18 the law hit me with csc3ed. Im no rapest or monster. Im a mother of 4 and i cant go to there school i cant go on fild trips my kids are the ones hurting along with me. 25years the law gave me for what? My po even said she wish she could help me cause its RONG. Every thing takes money and money i just dont have. I am a good mother and person, someone can go and hurt a helpless child in a nasty act and get csc3rd and god help there sole an that poor baby then you got LOTS of people like me that never held any child down or made them do any thing the csc reg. says. Im sending this so may be someone could help me and many people like me. This hurts our lifes!!! PLEASE!!!! THANK YOU>

Posted by dreamerz5@hotmail.com (not registered) on Aug 04, 2008 01:53 AM

I read the comment that drug dealers do more damage than sex offenders. That made me mad. You are acting like that isn't a bad thing. There are offenders whose crimes weren't so bad maybe, But there are also MONSTERS!!!! I am a victim myself. I also used drugs when I was younger, thanks to the man who screwed me up. I have no effects from drugs now, but 18 yrs. later, I am still having nightmares from my abuse. Older men raping innocent little girls is sick!!! They shouldn't be put to death. They should be tortured so they can live with the pain they caused but theirs would not last as long. Therefore the point that was made about drugs being worse is screwed up!!!!! I am talking about the monster sex offenders.

Posted by confused mom (not registered) on Aug 06, 2008 05:08 AM

I was reading some of the articles on this site and would like to share my story. I got married to my soon to be ex husband 3 years ago. I thought god had answered my prayers with this man I loved him so much. A few months after we got married I found out my husband had been cheating on me since the day we got married. This was upseting but not nearly as upsetting as what came next. I did forgive my husband for this, and allowed him back in my home. Soon after my then 11 year old daughter started acting out. Burning herself, failing school, a once outgoing child turned unsocial and started hearing voices in her head telling her she was ugly, and everyone hated her, and that she was better off dead. I did the only thing I could do, and started taking her to a child therapist. ultimately waht I found out was that my husband had been going into her room several times a week and masturbating while he thought she was asleep. finally it went farther than that and he decided to put his hands down her pants. I dont understand how a man that was so protective over his children he would not let them walk to the store down the street alone could be this person! Its like I have been living with a stranger. He has a daughter that is 12 years old that he has every weekend I am very concerned for her. I told his mother and his ex wife my concerns and they ignored me. After this happened I went to the local police department and got all of the previous sex offense complaints that had been filed against him. By the way there were four. none of the previous victims wanted to push the issue any further, so they were just left as complaints. I cant help but think that if one of those people had the strength or desire to move forwrd maybe my daughter would not be a victim? This is why the buck stops here. We are moving forward and the county prosecuter is planning to file this case. I am welcome to any comments you may have,

Posted by Oldtimer on Aug 08, 2008 09:14 AM

(IMO) Sad, but he needs to be stopped and treated. You are doing the right thing and should not feel guilty about it. Good luck.

Posted by Brody (not registered) on Aug 25, 2008 02:04 PM

hey what is a link where I can look and see what kind of offenders are in te area that I want to move to..

Posted by Oldtimer on Aug 26, 2008 08:50 PM

Brody: go to the state's website and see if they have a link to the registry. Or, do a search on the national registry for that state. Google it.

Posted by anonymous (not registered) on Aug 27, 2008 05:51 AM

i feel i have the right to know who is near my daughters and what they have done i dont care how long ago the charge was brought on or how recently if someone has done a crime against an under age child i want to know how close they live to me.

Posted by Oldtimer on Aug 27, 2008 05:55 PM

anon 27th, utah: How close to you? Offenders are in your family. Some are close friends. You can't protect your girls trusting only the registry. You need to teach them right and wrong touching. Get to it and forget about people that have already been caught. It's the ones that are not caught you want to deal with. (IMO)

Posted by brangirl (not registered) on Sep 15, 2008 08:08 PM

my father is on the utah state sex offender registry. i was there when the suppossed "molestation" occured. the boy that accused my father was my best friend and he didnt like my dad because my dad wouldnt buy the boy ciggarettes. he was 9! i wouldnt have done it either. so the boy went and said my dad touched him. i think that some databases could be better but, i also think that the investigations should be better as well. my dad has to be in prison until 2009 and has been there since 1999. for something he didnt even do. i am NOT defending sex offenders for i have been abused myself but my father is spending time as an innocent man.

Posted by gern (not registered) on Sep 27, 2008 03:08 PM

It is so very true that Utah, is almost mideavil when it comes to this registry. I shudder to think about the poor souls who are condemed, listed on this site, who did nothing in the way of violence, created no "victims" At simply at the wrong place/with the wrong person at the time,

Posted by ananymous (not registered) on Oct 06, 2008 05:19 PM

i believe that this is a bunch of crap that they are tryin to pass the new law that sex offenders sha'll never get of parol if ever givin parol that's bullshit because they have served there time and payed there debt to sociaty so there for they should be let off parol however if they make another offense then NO!! DON'T LET THEM OFF IF IT IS THEIR SECOND OFFENSE

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Oct 11, 2008 03:41 AM

I have spent time working with juvenile sex offenders and would just like to say that there is a huge sucess rate in them never offending again. society today is on a witch hunt to find sex offenders and often it isnt fair. people need to be careful who they label as a sex offender. people can make a mistake and then change, its crazy to me how everyone seems to think that once you cross that line there is no going back

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Oct 11, 2008 03:49 AM

P.S. whoever is named "death to sex offenders" mabey you should call yourself "death to my nephew and step son" because that is obviosly who you have a grudge against. dont judge people by what they did

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Oct 16, 2008 11:39 PM

The worst part about the offender registry is the FAMILY has a scarlet letter written on their chests, too. It doesn't only affect the offender. If some of you only knew the kind of discrimination that came about from the registry...I agree that OFFICIALS need to keep a database, but the public gets themselves into hysterics and make life miserable for the families of the offenders. Keep the public off the database. Also, SONAR- the law passed back in April about making sure the social security numbers, licenses and where they are employed are going OVERBOARD. What is the big deal about the offender? Why not the drug dealers as listed in previous comments? Get a Grip, Utah! So much for the Christain value of Love thy neighbors...

Posted by tyson (not registered) on Oct 24, 2008 02:40 PM

more needs to be done to make sure that all sex offenders are registered i have children that range from 2 to 13 and would like to know at least the majority of the threat that my children face in the area that i live so that i can show them what really exists in the world that they live in. so that they might be able to make safer decisions when out with there friends

Posted by sparky (not registered) on Oct 29, 2008 01:16 PM

I say let's just put all men on the sex offenders registry.

Posted by HEATHER (not registered) on Dec 20, 2008 01:43 AM

first of all i would like to say that u CAN NOT compare a sex offender to a drug dealer or a thief or any other criminal, even the prisons dont compare them they have to keep them separate from all the other inmates, for 1 reason and 1 reason only BECAUSE THEY ARE SEX OFFENDERS. i feel no remorse for any of the men and women on that list they are there for a reason, family member or not. i do feel bad for the families that are hurt by what has happened t , but that doesnt change what has already happened. i dont think any of the offenders should be put to death, thats an easy way out, i do think that more could be done as punishment. the sex offender has it easier then the victim, they dont have to go threw life scared over what happened they dont have to be scarred of noises in the dark, and living your life thinking that they did something to deserve it or just anything, they dont have to feel anything. now what about the little babies being hurt and cant do a thing about it, what about the little boys and girls being hurt and not knowing what to do, some people have no idea what its like to be so helpless, and to have to live every day knowing what happened to them was so wrong, and the list in my opinion is one of the best things the law could have done,

Posted by anonymous (not registered) on Jan 20, 2009 12:39 AM

i strongly believe that the laws for "sex offenses" need to be re-addressed and ammended, both federaly and on a state level. i was convicted of sexual activity with a minor in 2003. situation: in a twenty-one and older club i met a young lady, we exchanged numbers and a couple weeks later started to hang out, ie; movies, clubs, parties, etc.. after a couple dates we engaged in "sexual activity", sex. After about a month of us hangin out on occasion she revealed to me that she had been lying about her age. she told me she was only 15. at that time i stated that for obvious reasons we could no longer hang out. I later talked to her mother about this situation and discovered that she also new of her daughter lying about her age. i asked her why she encouraged this behaviour. she simply said that her daughter was constantly breaking the law and said when she hung out with me she didnt need to worry about her getting into trouble. Where is the parents responsibility in all this? her father placed her in an inpatient program for troubled teens and she later wrote a biography in which she stated that she had lied to me about her age and that we had had sex. The report was later handed over to the sheriff's department. resulting in my conviction. I served my time, probation and all necessary treatment required by the state. i now have to register as a "sex offender" and lost all my rights. I am married and have been for 5 1/2 years. i am no longer on the "dating scene". why should so much focus be brought in my direction? I agree with the registry for people who have commited crimes against children. I did not Knowingly have sex with an underage female. where is the justice? Her mom provided her with birth control and encouraged this act to take place. shouldnt she be held responsible?? my point is that i made a mistake that could have happened to anyone and does happen more often than not. i paid for that mistake and will pay for it for life. I would like to secure a future for my family and my children, im finding this to be more impossible than not. is the intention of the law to never allow someone who has made a mistake the right to be a respectable citizen in society?

Posted by JD Carter (not registered) on Mar 11, 2009 03:47 PM

Utah sucks when it comes to sex laws. I was sexually assulted in my apratment by a return missionary. Nobody did anything about it they just dropped the case BULL SHIT!

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Mar 30, 2009 07:31 PM

You people who thing that all or even most sex offenders are dirty old men who molest little children are unbelievably deceived!!! Most of them are young men who had some kind of sexual encounter with a juvenile girl who lied about her age. It's embiciles like you who judge everyone without a halo and let others do your thinking for you. These young men, like my son, are suffering an indescribable lifelong torture because of people like you with unbelievable, puritanical, witch-hunt personalities. It's hard to create a truly fair law on registering on the sex-offender registry, because of you who think everyone on the list is out to get little children, you know old guys. Most of them are normal, healthy young men who used poor judgment. Now, you can't tell whom you should fear, because you unreasonable, witch-hunters have that list loaded from stem to stern with normal young people or people who were once young who made that type of mistake. My son was heavily under the influence of his own medications when a 13 year old girl molested him (there were eyewitnesses), but no one cares. He was charged with first degree felony rape of a child JUST because of her age!!! So, now you people who thought you could trust that registry to tell you whom to fear, who think all sex offenders are just crazy from birth and hardwired perverts can't find the real guys to fear, cuz they're buried beneath the literal deluge of those who made mistakes in the foolishness of youth.

Posted by anon (not registered) on Apr 09, 2009 06:07 PM

I support listing all criminals on a website reguardless of the degree of the crime. I feel bad for the stigma that reaches their families and friends, however, you can tell by reading all these posts that criminals dont like being listed. Maybe fear of being humiliated on a website might make a criminal/wouldbe criminal think twice...and thats a bad thing?! As for sex offenders (please get offended), the victoms suffer all their lives while the offender does his time and gets put on a website for 10 years...BIG DEAL!!! I feel they should suffer like thier victoms IMO. As for drug dealers, how many people committed crimes including armed robbery/rape/murder while on drugs...case closed!

Posted by ononymous (not registered) on Jun 09, 2009 01:20 AM

Most of the people on the registries are there for stupid things like mooning, peeing behind a tree on the side of the road, etc. I know one poor guy that got over 10 years in prison for exactly that. The phrase "sex offender" doesn't mean anything. On top of that, a huge fraction of accusations turn out to be lies, 10% to 60% of them, if the police and prosecutors care enough about not imprisoning innocent people to find the truth. In Salt Lake City, 1% of the men are registered sex offenders, which is so ridiculous. Watch V For Vendetta if you want to see why the government likes to scare people with the registry.

Posted by BB (not registered) on Jun 14, 2009 02:13 AM

You know what most sex offenders dont repeat so what good is the list its all the ones not on the list that you have to worry about.

Posted by unfair (not registered) on Jun 16, 2009 05:39 PM

I agree that sex offenders should be severly punished but if a girl of 15 goes out with a man of 21 and lies to him and then her dad presses charges and this man did not have sex with her why should he be treated the same as a man that rapes a child or molests a baby ? I have no use for a child molester and yes he is most definitly a sex offender but there is a differance and they have blanketed all as the same. My dad was 22 and my mom was 15 when they met and were married at 23 & 16 and stayed married for 43 yrs until she died of cancer. This ruins a young mans life for something that happens often and should not be put as a registered sex offender.

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Jun 17, 2009 06:08 PM

actually according to statistics by the Department of Justice, sex offenders are 4 times more likely to commit another sex crime as opposed to those who commited other crimes to recommit the crime they were arrested for

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Jun 18, 2009 07:19 AM

I don't know where you grt your statistics from but you are wrong. You are probably quoteing from heresay, local media,or politicians who like to sensualize the sex offender thing.I am quoteing stats ftom the Department of Justice. Sex offenders have the lowest recidivism rate of any criminal offender except for murders. 93% of new sex crimes are commited by people who don't have a prior conviction for a sex crime. Just go to the DOJ website and see for yourself!! Get educated!!!

Posted by motherofthevics on Jun 18, 2009 09:44 AM

Hmmm, what to say, Im the mother of a victim, and a victim, and the daughter of a mother who refused to see me as a victim, so make that a double victim, Let me warn you if u live in Michigan, u are about to see things get a whole lot worse due to nothing but politics. they are gonna close 8 high level prisons one which houses the perp of my daughter, how will they decide who is gonna be let go for that is the plan to release some, and who they will keep, now i need to ask, of all you people claiming how badly some of these prisoners may have been handled are you ready to live next door to them... send ur little boy or girl out to play when u know hes in the yard next door, and how would u feel if ur friend came over to be with u and thier little girl or boy got raped or worse when these men arent getting the power they want they move it up a notch they kill. what would u do. i want to do something did any body remember the old days when in the 60s protesting was cool well we need to find that voice again stand up and say enough is enough

Posted by JMCtville (not registered) on Jun 21, 2009 04:37 AM

My ex went ot court and admitted everything he did to our duaghter. He did not go to prison but can have no conatct with the kids that is unsupervised. My question is that can a person be put on the sex offender registry even though he did not go to prison?

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Jun 26, 2009 06:59 PM

Well if you live in Utah County anyone who makes a complain can guarantee that that person will go to prison whether or not that they are guilty. I know someone who passed several lie detector tests and several plethysmograph test there was no physical evidence and the girl even said over the phone to him while he was in jail that her mother was making her do it even though he was innocent and he got 3- 15 year sentences. Tell me the justice in that? In Utah County there is corruption with the judges especially Judge McVay go goes along with whatever the prosecutor wants and will not take the accuseds evidence into consideration everyone is guilty to him!!!! EVERYONE with or without evidence!!!!

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Jul 09, 2009 11:40 AM

Some of these people were lied to and manipulated by so called minors. people that lie about their age among other things time after time preying on trusting individuals who have no reason to lie. who is the victim?

Posted by blind eyes (not registered) on Jul 24, 2009 11:26 AM

It never ceases to amaze me how uneducated and overly trusting people are.

Fact: Utah is number 1 in the nation for internet crimes against children. It is number 5 in the nation for child abuse. And all one has to do is read the ignorant and blindly trusting comments that make up about half this page to understand how that can be. You can't minimize this stuff or make it ok if you want to root it out.

Why put a sex offender on a registry and not another criminal? Simple. Children are defenseless. Adults are not. Children are sponges and how they are treated impacts their behavior for the rest of their lives. In short, children above all are the hope for tomorrow and left unprotected, tomorrow will not be a bright future.

Child molestors are created not born. Created by people who molest. A child's development and sexuality are forever scarred when they are molested. Some, about 1 in 10 CHOOSE to go on to become abusers themselves.

People who compare pedophiles to drug users and say that they don't belong on the registry don't understand that many people who use drugs do so because they were molested. Child molestation is at the core of many root problems in society. Molestation is the wound and rather than put bandaids on things like drug use, prostitution, divorce, joblessness, spousal abuse, abortion, setting fires, and about a million other problems, you go to the wound and fix it. That's why child molestation should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Save the child and you save humanity.

Child abuse is not black and white. It's shades of grey to black. A teenage boy who has sex with a non-family member that is a year or two younger can't be lumped in with a 35 year old male who molests a 9 year old. You can't say "take down the registry because one guy was convicted unfairly." The damage becomes more severe to a child depending on certain factors. Age gap? Victim is a son/daughter or relative? Perp is in a position of trust? Type of sexual abuse? Number of victims? Repeat offender? Number of times the child was abused? Was it violent?

Who are some of the most blind people that turn their heads away and don't see the abuse in front of them or advocate mercy for the victims? Victims are. It's a generalization to say this but there comes a time in their lives where victims either become enraged over what happened to them or they simply pretend it didn't happen or wasn't so bad. Many of them have an attitude of, "well, that happened to me and I got over it, this victim needs to also." A good number of victims go on to marry perpetrators. When their own child is abused, they turn a blind eye. They pretend it's not happening. I've seen this over and over and I'd wager there's a few people on this board who advocate "walking a mile in other's shoes before you judge" were victimized themselves and don't want to deal with it.

Abuse is a cycle. It is exponential. A child is victimized. The choose to inflict the damage done to them onto another child. They don't just have one victim...many if not most have dozens of victims. It grows and worsens depending on the attitudes of the society around the children. Utah is culturaly far too permissive to this stuff and the numbers of perps here is high because they don't want to believe. They believe they must forgive rather than hold people accountable.

Utah being number one in the nation for internet crimes against children last year and before the fact is that only half way through this year of 2009, already the molestation rate is 60% above last year. Now tell me how this state can afford to forgive and forget or walk a mile in a perp's shoes, or kill the offender registry, or all the other idiotic proposals on this board that go soft.

These are our children. They are not cattle. They're born innocent and vulnerable. It's our job to protect them. Fail to deal with this stuff and you create generations of more victims. It's time to act, time to rid society of this most horrible crime. Yes, with justice that is fair to the type of crime committed. Jail time is absolutely needed in EVERY case. There are certain lines that have to be drawn and those lines need to be firm.

Posted by Oldtimer on Jul 25, 2009 08:02 PM

blind eyes: I agree with much you have to say. It is well written. I disagree with your remark about "why put offenders on the registry". In my state, there have been instances where children have been killed. In one case, a foster mother taped the mouth of a child in a cellar and the child died. SHE IS NOT ON A REGISTRY. (IMO) she is more dangerous than most offenders! She could move to your state and babysit your child. Hopefully, she is not allowed to be a foster mom, again. There are many examples of why the registry fails to protect; Many web pages about the failures. I suggest you do a search and re examine their arguments. I do not defend abuse in any form, but see where offenders on the registry sometimes reoffend and see where the public is not being educated about who close to them, might be an offender who has not been caught. Many mothers believe the registry is protecting their children. Actually, in my opinion, it is a way to bring more money into the hands of state coffers. We need to discuss and look at ways to stop abuse through education and in some cases apply longer sentences with mandatory follow up. The Dept.of Justice claims most offenders know or are a member of the victim's family.

Posted by lift on the out side is the same (not registered) on Aug 10, 2009 01:58 AM

Just rember that each case is not the same, so how is that every one, that thinks it is one case. it is not esey geting a job I no what to hire because the case, I have a G.E.D and study electrician. All this and no job in losing my home so this is not beening free, to me.

Posted by Please teach your children (not registered) on Sep 02, 2009 03:46 AM

As a young child I was brutally raped and beaten then my husband was accused of molesting our children and yet nothing happened to either of them infact my husband was given custody of the children and yet someone can do something as simple as forget to lock a door, pee on the side of the road or get adventersome and have sex in a some what public place and they end up on here. Were those things kinda stupid ya well maybe but really when you think of it most of us are guilty of doing atleast one of those things at one time. Yes I do agree that anyone who abuses, rapes, or harms a child should be put through that same abuse every day for the rest of their lives but it does not seem right that someone should be astercized and punished for years of their lives for a very simple mistake. Then again who is to say when it was intentional and when it was a mistake? It is extremely sad to me that we have girls and boys who lie about their age or lie about sexual abuse or assult, because of the ones that lie innocent people can end up in jail or actual victims who have enough courage to tell what has happened to them are not beleived and then we end up with many children in danger. There are no easy answers in any of this I really wish there was. Maybe instead of fighting over the offender on this site and bashing all of them you can all put your anger and outrage to better use by contacting your congressman and trying to affect some change in the was things are done. If you really think about it the most dangerous sexual predators are not the ones on this web site they have already been caught and are being watched, no the real dangers are the ones who have not been caught, the bishops, lawyers, teacher, social workers, judges, guardian ad litems, preists etc. the people who we trust with our children without question those people are the real dangers the ones you don't see comming. Please teach your children that it is not ok for anyone to do anything to make them feel uncomfortable in anyway. We spend so much time teaching our children to be respectful and polite I fear that we are unintentionally training them to be victims. Please teach your children to speak up, that will be the best way that you can protect them.

Posted by chefgus (not registered) on Sep 03, 2009 11:50 PM

Amen. Forgive lest ye be not forgiven. There's a reason there's a term "Second chances." It's because people should be given an opportunity to learn from their mistakes. Isn't that why we are here on this earth. If every ten-year-old who steals a candy bar from the local grocery store were thrown into prison, how penile would our justice system be. Some things are so stupid, yet mountains are made from mole hills. Judges: Judge on what actually happened. Don't make criminals out of mistaken, misinformed, impulsive youth.

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Sep 22, 2009 05:37 PM

I seem to find it funny that everyone automatically considers "sex offenders" to be child molesters and rapists. I myself am stuck on the sex registry because slept with a girl that lied to me about how old she was when I myself was 19. BTW In the state of Utah it is LEGAL for a 19 year old to be with a 16 year old(age she said she was) Society seriously overlooks the actual facts and reality that nowadays all it takes is an angry girl to say something like "oh, he did this to me" And you are arrested without question. the court system always needs at least two things for a murder conviction, hard evidence, and a witness/confession. to be convicted of a sex crime in Utah all it takes is a story(whether the story is true or not.

Posted by Terry (not registered) on Oct 06, 2009 12:55 AM

I have a question. This guy I was involved with had an ugly past he was running from (He had raped his step daughter) he had 2 charges 1 of rape & 1 of Incest. from another state. he is now in prison, but the damn state dropped the rape charge & charged him only with incest, so instead of Life for the Rape charge all he got was 5 months for Incest. not right... he took a life there for he shoulda had his taken away. now the court ALLOWED him to Return to my home even though I have a son whom is 15 & a handicaped son, "THIS WAS DONE WITHOUT EVEN ASKING ME "I DONT WANT HIM HERE, Not Even in the State of UTAH!!! I need to know what I do, and how many ft. does he have to be away from a school/church/ect. I can't find this info out... anyone knows let me know as he's to be released Nov. 2009 So if You can Help let me know????

Posted by Oldtimer on Oct 07, 2009 09:59 AM

Terry: I suggest the first thing to do is educate yourself on what the laws are in your state for sexual offenders. Go to Utah.gov and look for where your state statutes are. Then do a look up of laws for registration. You might just be able to find information by doing a search: utah sex offender laws. I find that most questions asked on this site could be answered by looking at a states offender law. For more detailed questions, your need to consult a lawyer familiar with your state laws on matters.(IMHO)

Posted by BEEN THERE DONE THAT (not registered) on Oct 14, 2009 01:01 AM

I READ ALL YOUR COMMENTS I AGREE WITH SOME AND FEAR FOR SOCIETY.. I WENT TO PRISON DID A LOT OF TIME GOT OUT AND WENT STRAIGHT WIFE KIDS YOU KNOW LIFE, YOU COULD SAY I SHOULD HAVE A GREAT GRASP ON THE PROBLEM.. I THINK I DO.. SOCIETY CHOOSES WHAT WE LEARN AND HOW WE SHOULD PERCEIVE LIFE. DONT BASH PEOPLE DONT JUMP ON THEM FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE BECOME WE WORK ALL DAY WATCH TV AND LET OUR YOUNG PEOPLE SIT IN FRONT OF THE ELECTRONIC SEWER WHILE WE THINK ITS A GOOD BABYSITTER, BACK IN THE DAY PEOPLE WORKED HARD FOR EVERYTHING THEY HAD THEY SAVED MONEY AND SHOWED GOOD MORALS BY DOING SO. NOBODY COMPLAINS THAT THERE IS TOO MUCH SEX AND VIOLENCE OUT THERE OR THAT SAUCY BILLBOARD ON THE SIDE OF THE FREEWAY THAT SHOWS VICTORIA SECRET PANTIES ON THE GIRL. AS A SOCIETY WE ALLOW SO MUCH TOWARDS PEOPLE SEEING THINGS THAT SHOULD NEVER BE PUT OUT THERE THAT ITS OUR FAULT FOR ALLOWING THAT STUFF ON TV AND LET THEM CATER TO OUR KIDS WHEN WE ARE NOT AROUND... DONT GRIPE ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO DO BAD THING GRIPE AT YOURSELF FOR NOT BINDING TOGETHER TO CHANGE THE DECENCY LAWS FOR WHAT IS ALLOWED TO BE BROADCAST. AD'S, PORN, RAUNCHY COMMERCIALS TV SHOWS WITHOUT MERIT, BEER AD'S SAUCY STUFF. TAKE BACK OUR DECENCY CONTROL WHAT CONTROLS OUR PEOPLE LITTLE OR BIG. DONT THINK THIS WILL STOP SEX OFFENCES WELL GO INTO THERAPY AND HEAR WHERE PEOPLE GOT THE IDEAS AND ACTED ON THEM.DONT GRIPE ABOUT THE PROBLEM FIX THE PROBLEM....I KNOW ITS EASIER TO GRIPE....

Posted by fallen (not registered) on Oct 15, 2009 08:47 PM

I have been sexually abused and find having the registry a comfort because its my choice to be aware of who is an offender and who is not. The police have more pressing issues to deal with then following me around telling me who is a sex offender or not. Also, to all the victims and their families. My heart feel for you. Sex offenders affect everyone with the crime the commit and last longer than a murderers. You have to live with it everyday and suffer from it if you can't cope. Also to the wrongfully accused. It is embarassing but it should make you aware that you aren't what people make you to be. Its your decision to live a lie. No one else. Besides at the end of the day it doesn't matter what people say. Its how you feel about yourself and how you live with it. Your past will haunt you if you force people to look upon it and dwell on it. So live happy and positive because from personal experience being unhappy and focusing on the wrong hurt more and made my future small and bleak BUT when I choose to create my future and think positively everything falls into place... try it sometime. You'll like the results.

Posted by question (not registered) on Oct 16, 2009 12:56 AM

I believe that convicted or not sex offenders should be posted to prevent their further actions on children, or any one in that matter. an example is I know of a sex offender and ive looked it up every where on the internet and just cant find it. I know its true why wouldnt they have it posted?

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Dec 01, 2009 09:15 PM

How come it's so hard to find the web site so you can check to see if your area is safe for your kids? I've been looking for it and can't seem to find it and i can't get a straight answer by anyone to tell what the web site is. I have 3 small children and i want to know. Can some one please tell me what it is? Thanx

Posted by concerned (not registered) on Jan 14, 2010 05:48 PM

How do you really help a juvenile sex offender when they are treated as bad as adult offenders. the victim in this case is a younger sibling. The system is so messed up in Utah that instead of helping the situation is creating a bigger problem... where do parents go to protect both kids victim and perpetrator???

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Jan 22, 2010 10:27 AM

I was raped my sophmore year, I never told any one until a month after I was raped my mom found my journal. She called a detective and he questioned me and the Guy that raped me. The Guy who did this to me was my ex boyfriend. I went to children's services and talked to the detective many times. The detective couldn't push charges because it was he said she said thing. If someone doest want to have sex and tell the person no many times isn't that rap?

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Jan 25, 2010 11:15 AM

I think when a person is convicted of a sexual crime against a child they should be put to death. They seem to just get away with it and keep doing it over and over they hurt kids and I guess the government thinks its ok! They should make an island where they cant leave or no one can get in and just put all them nasty people together. And if they want to hurt each other then go right ahead at least our kids will be safe I have a hard time sleeping at night with all of this going on in the world! About two weeks ago I went to reams on state street there were pictures two little girls the mom and a ten yr. old boy who were all abducted!! Is there no help these days they should allow our community to vote on putting these sick people on an island like i said! maybe our stress and worries will go away or start putting them to death maybe that will send a message to all the other sex offenders to stop already damn!!! cause im a mother of three and its hard to let your daughter's to go hang out with there friends cause you dont know whos out there on the hunt for your child its very scarey!!!

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Jan 29, 2010 07:01 PM

I took full responsability for a sex crime I comitted in November 1988 I spent 5 years in prison. I would have spent no time if I had kept my mouth shut, But I would never be able to look myself in the mirror again. I'm glad I took responsibility for what I did. I will never create another victom as long as I live. I'm married and I have raised three wonderful daughters since that time, With out an in approite thought or act towards them. The system works if you have the capability to be honest with your self and others. So if you done something wrong just say so! Acept the conciquences for your actions and move on! Do Not feel sorry for your self and create more vitoms you do not have that right! Thank You Anonymous

Posted by anonymouse for obvious (not registered) on Mar 01, 2010 09:48 PM

How does a man who has molested a girl six years younger than he... even though he was a minor... allowed to become a police officer?

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Mar 06, 2010 05:18 AM

My husband was unjustly convicted of having child pornography in his possession. He had downloaded a file that had said Adult Porn on it and there were pictures of children that he immediately got rid of. The police showed up and arrested him right there. They basically gave him no chance to explain, immediately passing their judgements on him, and sentenced him to a federal prison. We will now have to live with this the rest of our lives. For those of you who want every person convicted thrown away, need to understand there are many like my husband who have been wrongfully convicted. He has complied with everything they requested, therapy, no more internet access, checking in with a PO, yet he is still treated as a monster. You all who make comments about killing them off need to take a hard look at your lives, put yourself in my situation, and you will feel very different. Now let me make it clear, those who actually touch children and do it to several and don't feel remorse, lock them away.

If you didn't see it Oprah did a show with some Sex Offenders, very enlightening. I encourage any of you who didn't see it to go watch it on her website Oprah.com. It answers questions like how and why can someone do that.

Posted by thewayitis (not registered) on Mar 10, 2010 01:29 AM

The safety of our children is far more important than the rights of a recovered sex offender. I am so grateful there is a sex offender registry, so we can use it to protect our children. Even if a few of them are wrongfully accused, they are better off being punished wrongly than allowing children to suffer. It is sad that sex offenders cant just get on with their lives and start over. Neither can the victims. I guess that is just a consequence of their actions they will have to deal with and it is a way they can begin to make restitution for a horrible crime that they will probably never fully make restitution for as long as they live no matter how hard they try. They can't just start over. They can never take away what they did.

Posted by Bill (not registered) on Mar 13, 2010 08:19 PM

The sex offender registry protects no one and victimizes thousands. Since the Utah registry was enacted in 1993 not one child has been saved from molestation by the registry. NOT ONE!!!! Yet thousands of husbands, wives, and children of registered offenders and the offenders themselves are vicitimized by this draconian law. STOP THE INSANITY AND REPEAL THE LAW!!! Sexual molestation is a family problem not a public threat. Over 90% of victims either know well or are related to their molesters. Rarely is it a case of stranger danger. REPEAL THE LAW!!!

Posted by melanie j (not registered) on Mar 15, 2010 09:27 PM

I just had my x the father of my kids found in my home having sex with a 16 year old and he is now in jail thanks to my daughter we would have never known and he was busted in my home by the cops in the act he threatened to kill me in fount of the kids if they ever told thank god they don't have to hold the secret inside themselves any longer this is one of the hardest things that we have gone through and he will be behind bars for a long time.

Posted by Get Up, Stand Up! (not registered) on Mar 27, 2010 08:43 PM

Well, the whole page of comments posted here have some very good points of ground and some absolutely silly points as well. I say keep the Registry for sure, everyone deserves to know who is living in their neighborhood or close by.

Although, I agree with the fact that if your a molester or rapist either death or life in prison w/o parole. I do think that more cases need to be actually judged by the circumstances!

And to all you who think a molester or rapist is as bad as a drug dealer your way off! Drug dealers do NOT target kids!!! They want someone who has money, or who can find some sort of payment. That leaves anyone under the age of 16 rendered useless by the dealer. Plus, by the time a dealer targets your son or daughter, they should have been taught good morals, and right from wrong! And taught to say NO!
All in All, its time for Utah to stand up and protect our CHILDREN and WOMEN and/or any VICTIM!

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Mar 30, 2010 05:20 PM

A registery isn't going to protect your child, that is the resposability of the parents. I fear any society that is willing to give up it's rights for "safety".

Posted by Anon (not registered) on Apr 01, 2010 07:24 PM

I think some of you need to realize that utah has ridiculous sex offenders also. for instance a man who is eighteen with a seventeen year old needing to register for life... or a friend of mine who was peeing outside in his backyard at night getting a sex offender status for indecent exposure - crime maybe but not a molester.

Posted by pinkj (not registered) on Apr 09, 2010 12:31 PM

Utah is ok with sex offenders because even though they deny it we all know that the state secretly condones polygamy. Polygamy is no different then sex offenses and the state does nothing. I have a friend whose daughter was molested and abused by her older brother and the state wouldn't do anything because she was only 2 when it happened and 2 yr olds cannot give accurate information.

Posted by nrbeach on Apr 10, 2010 12:06 AM

Does the state of Utah share sex offenders records with other states?

Posted by anonymous (not registered) on Apr 15, 2010 07:42 PM

I read a few articles were people, women or men, were involved in a relationship were someone lied about there age. I was dating a girl who lied about her age. We didn't work out but a year later I found out she had a child. I stepped up to the plate. That's when I found out about the lie in age and that my ex had put my daughter in a trash can. The mother and grandparents wanted me to have nothing to do with our child. So I went for custody and charges were pressed on me. Luckily I was only convicted of a gross misdemeanor but a sex crime all the same. I have had to register twice a year, finger prints, dna swabs. My picture is on the net right next to the guy who molested little kids. When asked by police officers the title of my conviction (one time that sticks out) the offer replied "we'll just call it child rape". There has been many such occasions. This has effected every aspect of my life( job opp. State help ect.) To this day this is used in ongoing court battles with the grandparents And the mother who claim they are the victims because that is the title the criminal court gave them. this has been the down fall in life for the last 10 years. After all that time I've learned it doesn't matter I'm a sex offender and we all know what they do.

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on May 13, 2010 05:53 PM

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY IT IS SO HARD TO FIND THE SEX OFFENDERS LIST ANYMORE, WHY SHOULD IT BE HARDER TO FIND OUT IF YOU ARE LIVING NEXT TO AN OFFENDER, THESE PEOPLE SHOULD'NT BE ABLE TO HIDE, THEY CAN NOT BE REHABILITATED... JUST LOOK AT ALL THE REPEAT OFFENDERS... I THINK LAW MAKERS SHOULD PULL THEIR HEADS OUT, WHY PROTECT A SEX OFFENDERS PRIVACY AND LIVE A HAPPY LIFE WHEN THESE INNOCENT CHILDREN R LIVING THE REST OF THEIR LIFE IN MISERY..

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Jun 22, 2010 08:47 PM

How can I find the people listed in the sex offender registry? How many there are and where? Today, my family and I went shopping and when we walked home some really foul people looked like perverts at my girls. I want to know where to get this info free?

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Jul 13, 2010 02:45 PM

If you are a good parent to your child, rely less on TV to teach them right and wrong and not to babysit your kids, the better life you will have worry free of something happening to them. Just because someone looked at your child/children wrong, doesnt mean anything. Teach them boundries and limits, this isnt hard people. For people ot think sex offenders cant be rehabiliated, Im sorry you are ignorant and you too need ot be placed of a registry somewhere so I can stay away from you, I would not like you in my life to foul it up for me. Everyone has a choice of what they do with their life, if you have the rules, boundries, guildlines and actually talk with your kids about life, then when something goes wrong, they will be better equipped to deal with and handle situations where someone if trying to harm them.

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Jul 13, 2010 02:57 PM

Get up, Stand up!... You made me laugh, thank you. Now what you said was completly dumb. Drug dealers do NOT target kids? Have you lost your mind? If thats the case why do the have DARE in Kindergarden? You never heard stories about kids becoming an alcoholic in elementry, then leading a life of drugs? Go to an NA meeting. Also, sex offenders do not always target kids. I suggest and would like more people to get better educated about "sex offences" before the go around opening their mouth about sex offenders. Please, leave your narrow minded thoughts behind and do yourself a favor, learn everything you can about the things that piss you off. By the way, a registered sex offender is not likely to reoffened because they HAVE been caught.

Posted by Danielle (not registered) on Aug 18, 2010 03:19 PM

Why is there no restrictions on living near schools and daycare's after a child sex offender is off probation? I have a child sex offender moving in across the street from my daycare and I am told there is nothing I can do about it!!!

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Apr 07, 2011 11:18 AM

People can change, there is no hard wired in your brain, and if you think that there aren't harsh enough laws you are sadly mistaken. You show your own ignorance making posts like these. People do bad things and most pay the price. I bet you didn't know that when sex offenders successfully complete therapy the chance that they will reoffend is less than 4%. The rate for drug offenders who successfully complete therapy is 90%. Perhaps you should look at yourself. And if a sex offender lives in your neighborhood, it is much more likely that a family member will sexually assault your child, that's where most incidents like that happen. Sex offenders are people, not animals. And most don't want to reoffend.

Posted by Anonymous (not registered) on Nov 25, 2011 11:10 AM

As a sex offender I would like to know when is enough? I'm 29 and my crime happen 15 years ago. I now have a child who's seven and I wouldn't dare harm my child. When is it time to say Ok that's enough. Many sex offenders crimes happened years ago but still get treated as if it just happen. Some people do change

 


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