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Sex Offender Allowed To Live Near School A registered sex offender got a break and won’t have to move. The man filed a lawsuit after he was ordered out of his home because he lived near a school.
Posted by: Oldtimer on September 09, 2007 at 06:32 pm
It is good to see that some courts are willing to hear these cases. One should not be repuninshed after incarceration already punishes them. That should apply to ALL criminals that have done their time.
Posted by: Hexgirl on September 10, 2007 at 08:08 pm
Since I am not aware of what the Offender did, due to so many Offenders getting punished un-fairly, and ones whom are not punished that should have been get off, it's hard to answer to this statement But if he was really a offender he should not live near schools, as for the other true offenders, thats the law, and for a judge to allow him to live near a school sickens me, if he is a true offender. if the person should be classified as one, the judge should have never gave him the title as one, honestly since he is allowed to live near a school it makes me question alot on the decisions these judges make, and just how their minds work? Tammy (HexGirl).
Posted by: Oldtimer on September 11, 2007 at 02:40 pm
Tammy: we have to break this down a little more. 1.Offenders should not live in areas where kids play. If one follows that thought, there are some states where there IS no place to live. There will always be a bus stop, basketball court, school or sunday school nearby. Why? We have places for our children to exercise and have fun. As many as possible. Children are members of our society and offenders are reintroduced back into the same society...as well as child killers and people killers and robbers. What people are fighting here, is, the fact that they have lived someplace for 20 years or so and a school is built next door...or the bus stop is now made out front. Should these people be forced to sell and move? No. That is ex post facto punishment and unconstitutional. OUR country , state and federal constitutions, state that punishment AFTER you have already been punished is not right. For those that disagree? They have the choice to rewrite the constitution or leave the country, I guess. But beware: if you eliminate ex post facto , it may effect YOUR rights some time in the future for other crimes, I should think. (IMHO)
Posted by: Hexgirl on September 12, 2007 at 02:02 pm
Oldtimer,
I have to disagree, I am not against all Offenders since some are truely not in the wrong to be labled as such, but for the most part I do not care how much time they have done, and yes they will unf... re-enter our society but I feel they should not live near children period. (IMHO) As far as leaving the country, its easyer to run then to face the true problems we have, and i am not one who thinks that way, and I aslo feel it should be the same for other serious crimes as well, not just this subject, to be frank.Another way is yes they made a mistake I, I can not understand that, because anyone who hurts a child in a sexual way is sick, period, and to understand, or forgive that is not ever gona happen. People do not stop and think how it effects the child, and their well being for the crime that has been done to them first off, it's always about the Preditors feelings, etc... they need a second chance, well yea some do that should not be in that situation thats truley inocent, but for the others what about a second chance forthe child? What about thier mental mind set? Yes they will become a survior, in time but it will a;ways way on their minds, and trust issues. Look my son tried to kill himself at 9 because of his sexual abuser, and he is fine now, Thank the Loard, but what 9 year old trys that? Mine would not have, but did, all for someone elses pleasure. So forgive me for not giving a dame on the Preditors, and careing that they live else where then me, and my four children. If any one should live the Country it should be them. TAmmy (HexGirl)
Posted by: Oldtimer on September 13, 2007 at 09:43 am
Hexgirl: understood.
I guess what I am saying is that those that break the laws of today, should be punished under the laws of today. Those that have broken the law and paid for their crime ...ten...twenty years ago ...should , in my opinion be left alone as long as they are complying with the laws of our land. Just think of how hard it would be for you to up and move in 90 days, after living somewhere for twenty years. I agree, that the guy getting out of prison should not be allowed to live near kids under today's statutes.
Posted by: Kathryn Goble (not registered) on October 03, 2007 at 01:09 am
I live in the state of Ohio. I'm a victim back when I was a kid. I feel it should go for all sex offerenders no matter when you were convicted. A sex offender goes to prison IF convicted for 7-life some get away with it and us victims. And the ones that were convictted before 2003 get their life back when they get and and US victims live through it everyday it's like us being in prison in a different way we are punished for something we didn't do and feel it for the rest of our life.
Posted by: Oldtimer on October 03, 2007 at 07:44 pm
All I am saying, Kathryn, is that the courts deal out the punishment and those who offend, must pay for their crime. Legislators changed the rules of the game. They want double jepardy. But many courts are now going back and saying: If the offender has been punished, it is unconstitutional to punish him/her again. We live by our constitution in this country. I also was a victim, but you can't live your life as a victim...you need to break free from it and strive for new heights. Many who dwell in the victim state of mind are often 'revictimized", in my opinion.
Posted by: kysweetheart (not registered) on October 15, 2007 at 08:33 pm
I think it is great that someone one that challenged the sex offender law. I have been with a man for 5 yrs now that constantly faces challenges on where to live. The law should be completely be revised for the offenders that have low-risk, one-time with no other sex crimes. It is a shame when people try to better there lives and only have law enforcement come after them with the living restrictions. We have struggled finding somewhere to live not even close to a school. Now there are evaluating it from property lines of the schools. Also, information of what the crime entailed is not visible and creates confusion on what sex offender to trust. It seems like most have to live out of hotels or out in the country. I pray everyday for the loved ones that care about these people and truly want to help we definitely need other alternatives to this issue. I understand awareness but hasn't society taken this to extreme limits??
Posted by: Dave Roberts (not registered) on November 01, 2007 at 08:48 pm
I can't believe that there is even a debate about this and it is disturbing that a judge would take the side of a sexual offender. Yes I know we have the double jeopardy law and no I don't think every criminal should be punished twice for the same crime. However I know of a case where a man was convicted for having sex with a minor 25 years ago, he was 25 and she was only 14 and he had raped her. He did his time got out of prison and was a law-abiding citizen for over 20 years and then they built a new school less than a mile from his home and he saw the little girls playing outdoors everyday in the warm weather in their little skirts (his EXACT words) and his urges came back and then finally one day after 25 years of not breaking the law, he snatched a little girl and raped and killed her.
Does this make it the schools fault or law enforcements fault?? NO...because first of all his first offense was before Megan's Law was put into effect. So unless the school or law enforcement runs a background check on everyone living within an area before they build a school (which would be considered a violation of your privacy) then how would they know that this could have happened? As far as someone being considered a low-risk...how in the hell could you EVER consider a sexual offender a low-risk? Oh they only did it once...THAT YOU KNOW OF...What about the ones who have done it dozens of times and finally got caught that ONE TIME??? I understand that it is hard for someone to live or work with having a criminal record but those are the consequences that they should have thought of BEFORE they committed the crime!!! As far as their loved ones that care about these people, how can you still care about someone who has committed such a VICIOUS crime???? I have an uncle that everyonein the family was close to until we found out that he molested his daughter and possibly raped other girls and now we want NOTHING to do with him, and if my son or daughter was ever convicted without a doubt for MURDER then I would hope the judge those the book at them and I would never speak to them ever again.....So if someone is upset because they get a certified letter in the mail saying "You're an offender, you live within 1000' of a school, you must move!" and the boohoo about it. All I can say is MOVE!!!
Posted by: Anonymous (not registered) on November 02, 2007 at 04:11 am
If someone commits a sex crime against another individual they should pay for the rest of their lives. If they are willing to do the crime they should be willing to deal with the price. As far as not having a place to live, that's just too bad, maybe they should have thought about that prior to committing the act!!!!
Posted by: rep (not registered) on November 03, 2007 at 11:15 am
No one is argueing that the offender should not be punished. And, yes, it is pretty stupid for an offender to put himself into a position where he is around children...just like someone who steals should not be asked to hold the "cashbox". What is wrong, here, is a legislature unable to study the crime and the best way to solve the offender problem. Just this week, I have heard of three cases of teachers molesting their students. This is with knowledge of a registry system. The teachers were NOT on a registry, so the public wasn't being made safer by a registry system. Lets start at the other end: Educate your child and better still, put into place systems where the child can easily report inappropriate touching! (Even if it means they report the parent or uncle or teacher! I have known of two cases where home schooling has allowed sexual offending. Do we have state programs in place to check on the abuse to home schooled children? I bet not. Lets study and deal with this issue, rather than making it "look good" for the sake of taking millions of free federal funding.
Posted by: shaun (not registered) on November 07, 2007 at 04:46 pm
how can ppl convicted of a sex crime with a underage person be allowed to live near a school if their not even allowed near their own or others kids?
Posted by: Oldtimer on November 08, 2007 at 08:32 am
Nornally, (IMHO), when you commit crime in our country you are punished by the courts. Then you take your punishment. Then you start your life over as if you have learned your lesson. People then have most of the same rights as other people...and THAT is why ex convicts should be able to live any place you are allowed to live. I do agree that it is stupid for a pedophile to put himself in a postion where there are lots of children...like someone who is an alcoholic working in a liquor store. There ARE stupid folks amoungst us. eh?
Posted by: fay (not registered) on November 16, 2007 at 07:07 pm
My ex-husband is a sex offender in ashland kentucky. We have two kids together. Will the judge give him any custody even though he went to parent class?
Posted by: lorilou (not registered) on November 29, 2007 at 12:20 pm
fay i am against sexual offenders having parental rights. But this doesnt mean they have to go through so much as in being made fun of and embarrased. you have to admit it is definitely wrong and they chose to do this and there are consequenses. the only way to stop it is by keeping minors away from offenders. please keep your children away from your husband if u definitly care about them. the number one fact about sexual abuse in children is that eighty five percent of predators are individuals the child already knows-blood relatives, extended family members, neighbors, baby sitters you understand me?
HUSBAND be ASHAMENED
Posted by: Old Man (not registered) on November 29, 2007 at 11:04 pm
I am a registered sex offender. I was convicted in 1990. Since then I have not offended. My daughter climbed into bed with me when asleep and I touched her inappropriately. Since that time I have done all in my power to obey the laws. I have remarried and raised another daughter. My relationship with here was not the best because I would not allow myself to get real close to her.
I took therapy and I still see a therapist, though I am not required to see one.
That said. If I were ever to re offend sexually, I would expect to be locked up for the rest of my life. Now then, there are people that are trying to do what is right. When I moved and went to a church I told the pastor of my past and asked not to be involved with anything dealing with children.
I have 12 grandchildren. I do not do anything with them unless my wife is with me. Statistically, only 2 to 5 percent, depending on the study, of sex offenders re offend sexually. While we hear reports of up to 30% that includes all crimes, not just sex crimes.
If you take away hope from people trying to change then you create in them a feeling of nothing to lose. That is when they get dangerous and your children are at greater risk.
As far at the guy who re offended after 25 years. I am sorry to hear about it. Yet, over 95% of new offenses will be committed by people you know, not once convicted offenders. Anyone that throws away his opportunity to change should never again see the light of day.
I speak as an offender and as an abuse survivor.
Posted by: tomanyuneductedpeople (not registered) on December 07, 2007 at 11:35 am
Ok folks I can only post 2,000 leters per post so this is a multiple post Im going to tell you my story and you tell me what you think Honestly.
part #1
Im a 30 year old guy. My name is michael. Ive been married for 10 years and have raised 3 children.
Back when I was 19 years old I met a girl through a phone call. I was talking to her and she sounded nice. I was single at the time. As we were talking I got to know her a little and she told me she was 18.
Me and my buddy went to go pick her up and hang out with her. We drove to her house she came out and she was a knock out. She was extremely hot double d's tight body. She was also dressed to show her stuff off.
Well we drove around for a while and we decided to back to my buddys house and hang out there for a while. We went to my buddies room and was not even there for 10 minutes and this girl jumped up on my lap and told me she wants to F**** my brians out. At the time I was still a virgin and I was scared to death. I actualy push her off of me and said no. I thought it was way weird that she was trying to do me after only knowing her for an hour or so. I was not interested in getting aids.
I went up stairs and my buddy nailed it. They came back up stairs and I told my buddy lets take this girl home man she's freaking me out. He agreed. We took her home and this girl called my house for 3 weeks after the fact wanting to go out with me. She said I want to be your girlfriend. Im like ummmm no.
I did not like her for one and she already did my buddy and she wants to be my girlfriend. lol give me a break.
Posted by: tomanyuneductedpeople (not registered) on December 07, 2007 at 11:36 am
part #2
Anyways she would not stop calling my house so finaly I cussed her out black and blue and called her every name in the book.
1 hour later this girls mom is calling me up saying why did you rape my 12 year old daughter.
My jaw hit the ground I could not belive this girl was only 12. She was 2 days from turning 13 we ended up finding out. This girl looked every bit of 18 and I know its easy to say well you should have been able to tell. But honestly at the time I would never had been able to guess from the way she looked when we picked her up.
I did no crime what so ever. My dad got a real good lawyer and he told me we could beat this in a trial there is no evidence for them what so ever. Then being 19 years old my lawyer scared the crap out of me to and said even though im confident we can beat this if she gets up there and puts on her little pink dress and crys then I might go to jail anyways if the jury believes her.
So they offered me a plea-bargin I plead guilty to gsi (gross sexual imposition) and I have to register as a sex offender for 10 years do 300 hours of community service and pay thousands of dollars in court cost and 2 years of behavioral control classes.
At first I said no way. Then I agreed because my lawyer told me 3 years after im off probation I can file for an expongment and have my record cleared.
At the time it seemed like the best move So I took it. 1 year after my plea the law changed saying that kind of record cant be exponged. I met my wife shortly after that and got married and Ive been married for 10 years and we have 3 beautiful children. There growing up fast and all of them have striaght A's in school and are good kids. I have a very loving relationship with all of them.
Posted by: tomanyuneductedpeople (not registered) on December 07, 2007 at 11:37 am
part # 3
Its been 10 years and even though I did my time pay my cour cost did 2 years of control classes 3 years of probation 30 days in the slammer and registered for 10 years and have committed no crimes before this case or since then I get a letter in the mail saying i now have to register for another 15 years and I cant live within 1,000 feet from a school, bustop, or daycare.
Ive got very used to these laws and i abide my them. But for all you uneductated people who get on here and just ramble off at the mouth saying sex offenders should have no rights peroid. Well you tell that to my 3 kids when I have to move into a part of town where all the rest of the sex offenders live because its they only place we can legaly live.
Its complete crap. However I have been fortunate so far. I live in a 120,000 house with a fenced in back yard and a swimming pool and 2 dogs living they american dream. So far these laws have not affected me my life is awsome and for the most part I try not to even think about this stuff.
Anyone after reading this think that I deserve to be classified with some pervert who goes around molesting children or rapes kids. Its totaly bull.
However because there are so many brain dead people our there who are uneductated about this whole thing its just to simple for them to say yeah the hell with all sex offenders they should all die.
I say to you people that part of the reason this country is at where it is today is because of uneducated people who want to just take someone like me and give them the same classification as someone who rapes little kids.
Also as far as parental rights. After hearing my story could you honestly say i dont deserve to raise my kids. Give me a break.
Anyways thats my story. Dont hold nothing back Tell me how you feel good or bad I can take it.
ps: This same girl up to date has done this to over 4 other guys since me and collected a lot of money.
god blesss:
Michael.
Posted by: Oldtimer on December 08, 2007 at 08:58 am
Michael:Opinion: As one who fights for the rights of offenders, I have to reply: Yes, some twelve yr. olds want all the sex they can get. After all,
they are entering the "sexual world" and they have become "sexual beings". All adults and older teens who have greater experience in
this area, have the responsibility to let a child learn at their own speed and with those of the same age. In your case, one must ask:
Would you stand by and let your "buddy" rape your own children? I hope not. It is your standing by, while your buddy raped the girl,
that is socially unaceptable in our country. True, some girls dress like little prostitutes, but I do believe you have many ways to
determine if a child is of legal age. I find it difficult to believe that one cannot tell a twelve year old from a 19 yr old. So many on this
site say: "Oh, she climbed into my bed...or she wanted it..etc" Sorry, this does not make it ok. It IS an indication, on the other hand,
that the person who says this, is not one of the rehabilitated and most likely will do the crime again. I fight for those who made a
mistake and have worked to rehabilitate themselves. They are the ones who need to be left alone by this registry and to start their lives
over by becoming active and upright members of their community.
Posted by: anonynous (not registered) on February 09, 2008 at 12:08 pm
i don't care who thinks sex offenders were treated right or wrong or unfairly. they obviously did something to be classified as so. and on top of that, there is a reason why they had to make that law in 2003, and to all of those supporters of this incident, you must not have children. i do anything to protect my children. and if that means that your mother's mother's great grandaddy's aunt's cousin lived in the house that you now reside in, if you live anywhere near the school my daughter goes to, you need to get the fuck out. sex offenders should be subject to capital punishment. they mess with the minds of our children, and cause too much harm.
Posted by: anonynous (not registered) on February 09, 2008 at 12:22 pm
also. michael's story is a bs story. get a clue dumass. no one cares to hear your lies anymore, and no one believes you should be able to keep your children. you are a sick person
Posted by: Anonymous (not registered) on February 15, 2008 at 11:05 am
Actually, stories like Michael's are all too common, where the state will enact some "new" law that severely changes the punishment after the fact, even though the defendant has fulfilled all his or her obligations. The injustice lies in the fact that people are often coerced to accept a plea bargain and led to believe that if they do "______", then "_____" will happen. So they accept the plea. Then 2, 5, 10, 15 years down the line, the state enacts a new law that changes the deal. How and why can they do something like that? Because nobody will stand up for a "sex offender".
Posted by: Anonymous (not registered) on March 24, 2008 at 01:30 pm
well lets look at this one..I have a friend that went to school with the gurl, and everyone hung out .everybody know everyone..there is 15 yr through 18 or 19 yr olds in highschools..i believe he was19 and hes girlfriend was 18 but his girlfriend was friends with 15 and 16 yr old girls so they all hung out and were all friends..then one day they broke up and he was still friends with her friends and he had consensual sex with her...and his ex found out told on him and he got introuble.he only got 21 days in jail and a 1 1/2 probation,,and now he bought a house and he lives by a daycare..personally i dont think that is wrong well i mean it could be but its high school how many events like that happen in highschool...he is 22 just bought a house and trying to live his life but the law wont let hm .. he is not a raper or nothing
Posted by: courtney (not registered) on March 28, 2008 at 02:16 am
yea i think they should be able to and i think if they suved there time and they just need to be watched by the cops !!
Posted by: Jules (not registered) on April 01, 2008 at 01:27 am
My children's father and I were married when he was convicted of molesting girls. Since then we have been in a custody battle. It has been over 3 years now. Just this past February our Judge awarded him unsupervised partial physical custody. His custody includes every other weekend and 4 hrs in the evening every other week. We live in PA and he lives in VA and still is allowed to have this arrangement. We also were ordered to share legal custody. Now he has rights to be at school and other events where our children will be. My case is going to superior court. My children and other's have the right to be safe.
Posted by: Anonymous (not registered) on May 10, 2008 at 04:44 pm
Believe it or not there are some sex offenders who have gotten the shaft from the system. I got kicked out of the military because I downloaded what I thought was some Family Guy episodes and it turned out to be kid porn. I was in the Brig with a guy in a very similar situation. I'm still a virgin and yet I am a sex offender. What's more, I was molested when I was a kid, so if anything is a deterrent for sex, that is. I'm a youtube junkie and I'm practically addicted to wikipedia and imdb.com. So before you typecast us all, remember there are some of us who just got shafted by the system.
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